This Game Was An Absolute Disgrace

[Millhouse]

Well, it was fricken Uconn for God's sake...with a walk on quarterback and a freshman QB...21 points should have been more than enough to beat this DOG of a team!

they avg 22 a game.

 

[Jersey Orange]

I'm aware of the facts of the game. You and me can disagree forever on how we arrived at the facts. Hackett does a lot of different things on 1st and 2nd down. All you know is whether or not it works. If it doesn't work, it's conservative-if it does,it's genious. Play-calling is thee most overrated,overused fan excuse for shotty play in the world and it always will be.

Call it what you want - but when you face 8 and 9 in the box and A-Gap run blitzes all day - but still are stubborn enough to run 34 times for 90 yards at 2.6 yards per carry - that it is stupid play calling or stupid game planning. Especially when the UCONN pass defense was doing their best to make Alec Lemon look like a young Cris Carter.

 

[Dcuse]

Call it what you want - but when you face 8 and 9 in the box and A-Gap run blitzes all day - but still are stubborn enough to run 34 times for 90 yards at 2.6 yards per carry - that it is stupid play calling or stupid game planning. Especially when the UCONN pass defense was doing their best to make Alec Lemon look like a young Cris Carter.

I'm pretty sure we threw more than we ran today and with receivers that you yourself are putting down in your comment. So does Hachett get any credit for Lemon looking like a young Cris Carter or just blame when a run only gets 2 yards?

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

I know its disappointing that we aren't going to win every game this year.

It would be much easier to take if we weren't so close to LOSING every game this year.Our schedule hasn't exactly been a murders row.I know,I know,WVU.

WE WERE UNDERDOGS.
That alone is all I needed to see to be VERY,VERY concerned.

 

[kingottoiii]

I'm pretty sure we threw more than we ran today and with receivers that you yourself are putting down in your comment. So does Hachett get any credit for Lemon looking like a young Cris Carter or just blame when a run only gets 2 yards?

Read again what he wrote. The first half we did NOT come out passing. Nassib, Lemon, and Provo did their damage in the second half. The fact that we did not open up that way is on the coaches.

 

[mantonio]

HOW MANY TIMES MUST I TEACH YOU PEOPLE?

This is ALL ABOUT TALENT !!!

Syracuse needs to hire a specialist recruiter & ACCELERATE their facilities improvement program. We need just ONE Super STUD to commit here, & that will be the spark that starts this fire...

All the schemes in the world will not win these types of games all the time. UCONN has taken advantage of our downtime, & now they will slink back into their dank hole where they came from...

 

[Rocco]

Doug Marrone should be embarrased. Think it is time for him to step away from the offense and hand the reigns to an OC who has experience calling plays at the college level.

yes an OC not named Hackett

 

[kcsu]

GRob was a passionate leader. Would you like to have him back?

Bill Belichick never cracks a smile on the sideline ... you must think he's a horrible coach.

For gosh sake lets not try to compare one of the best minds to ever grace a football field with Doug. Lets also not confuse the college and pro games as they are two very different animals. I actually think that Doug is a good pro coach and have said a good head coach. He is a very very poor OC, is stubborn, is late to make change, doesnt think outside of the box, and in my opinion hired Hack because he could control him vs hiring a seasoned and experianced OC. Back to passion he comes across like a stiff during and after games. For gosh sake he couldnt even enjoy the WV win acting like he had just come through a colonoscopy. The guy is so tight and has this team so tight i dont think the kids are having a very good time and that will be the death of everything he is trying to build. Discipline to a fault without the reward of a win isnt going to cut it very long.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Let's also not confuse sideline demeanor with coaching ability. Bear Bryant was a stiff on the sidelines ... did that make him a bad coach?

Being emotional and passionate doesn't prevent dropped passes and missed tackles.

 

[kcsu]

Try telling that to the guys who beat Nebraska when they were number 1 These are young men not Pros. Doug needs to be encouraging his team providing a spark. Emotion is a huge part of sports. If you ever played in HS or college you would understand this. Im not talking about RE craziness on the sidelines but for gosh sake Doug stands there chewing his gum looking like he is a spectator. Im concerned he is too tight and is making his team too tight as well.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

But I give Shafer a little more leeway because he has proven that he can be a play-caller for a top-2o ranked defensive unit.

Yup. Shafer is a far more proven commodity than Marrone. He just is.

But there's more to it than that in my eyes. This staff has brainwashed our fan base into believing the wrong things win in football. We've come to believe that defense can save us. Defense is inherently reactive, offense is inherently active. Defense cannot control what happens on the field or make choices that dictate what happens to the ball. Offense can make those choices though. The burden for our failures land squarely on the inability of the offense to perform. Special teams aren't even their own category, they're just offense and defense in a different form.

Concerned about the state of the program? Were you concerned 2 short weeks ago?

Speaking for myself, yeah, I was concerned two weeks ago. I was pleasantly surprised two weeks ago. Still concerned though.

I'll drink the hoops kool aid all day, erday. The Marrone kool aid tastes like it was made by the granola mom in the neighbo hood that only puts a quarter cup of sugar in.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not seeing a lot of emotion from either Miles or Saban tonight.

 

[kcsu]

Not seeing a lot of emotion from either Miles or Saban tonight.

are you kidding me did you see Miles and Saban pre game. Did you see Miles interviewed as he came onto the field. These guys are fired up . Again this is something that will never change with Doug as it isnt his nature. Hope he can learn to recruit, game day coach, hire a true OC and special teams coach because he sure as hell isnt going to win any games by getting his guys to play with fire and emotion.

 

[Chip]

Is that sarcasm? I've seen each go crazy. Whoever was on the other end of Saban's headphone tirade is probably walking home as I type this.

 

[orange03]

Not seeing a lot of emotion from either Miles or Saban tonight.

I suggest an eye exam. You don't have to be a maniac, but Doug coaches like he's in a coma.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Maybe Frank Martin can be hired away from KState.

 

[rrlbees]

HOW MANY TIMES MUST I TEACH YOU PEOPLE?

This is ALL ABOUT TALENT !!!

Actually not always and definitely not today. This wasn't about talent today as UConn has very little of it. In fact 3 of our last 4 games we have had as much talent as the other team and lost all 3. One game I can deal with, 2 is frustrating, but 3 game snow is down right BS and playing the talent card when we play a team that is HORRIBLE (have you seen any of UConn's games?), is just making excuses. A freshman QB today in the 2nd half who had thrown all of 7 passes all year and didn't have ONE pass attempt today and has averaged 2.4ypc this year KICKED OUR ASSES.

 

[Bayside44]

Yup. Shafer is a far more proven commodity than Marrone. He just is.

But there's more to it than that in my eyes. This staff has brainwashed our fan base into believing the wrong things win in football. We've come to believe that defense can save us. Defense is inherently reactive, offense is inherently active. Defense cannot control what happens on the field or make choices that dictate what happens to the ball. Offense can make those choices though. The burden for our failures land squarely on the inability of the offense to perform. Special teams aren't even their own category, they're just offense and defense in a different form.

Speaking for myself, yeah, I was concerned two weeks ago. I was pleasantly surprised two weeks ago. Still concerned though.

I'll drink the hoops kool aid all day, erday. The Marrone kool aid tastes like it was made by the granola mom in the neighbo hood that only puts a quarter cup of sugar in.

You clearly typed this before the LSU-Bama game.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You clearly typed this before the LSU-Bama game.

That game has no bearing on the truthfulness of my statement.

 

[OrangePA]

Doug Marrone should be embarrased. Just completely outcoached by Paul Pasqualoni and George DeLeone all day despite UConn handing us 5 first half turnovers.

The offensive staff wasted the entire first quarter offensively with conservative, stubborn run-the-ball-at-all costs play-calling. Really starting to get concerned that Marrone's ceiling will be as a consistent 7-win-per-year coach. Think it is time for him to step away from the offense and hand the reigns to an OC who has experience calling plays at the college level.

For me the Rutgers game was worse, because we could have won that game by 35 points.

In this game we were lucky to be in the game in the first half. you

I think you are right - DeLeone coached a great second half - he was able to establish a run game and cover up a really lousy QB - McEntee. I felt helpless the entire second half on that side of the ball.

It didn't hurt of course that we gave him the ball at the 40 to start each drive.

The UConn defense made a couple of plays - we were not outcoached on that side of the ball.

 

[kcsu]

For me the Rutgers game was worse, because we could have won that game by 35 points.

In this game we were lucky to be in the game in the first half. you

I think you are right - DeLeone coached a great second half - he was able to establish a run game and cover up a really lousy QB - McEntee. I felt helpless the entire second half on that side of the ball.

It didn't hurt of course that we gave him the ball at the 40 to start each drive.

The UConn defense made a couple of plays - we were not outcoached on that side of the ball.

Orange i agree we outcoached ourselves on O today. Should have thrown the ball 50 times as we were running open all day long we put ourselves in the hole by remaining convinced that somehow we could run on this team. Why?

 

[Cuseregular]

if we can ever get an above average QB on the field most of these problems take care of themselves. I cannot believe that one isn't waiting in the wings real soon.

As for this game everybody is looking it through the lens of technically only analysis. There's a karmatic strangeness to this game of football that is frankly undefinable but has a real tangible effect on outcome. Unless you played this sport post HS it's hard to understand and quantify (and most of you coaching types are too caught up in your detailed X's/O's analysis to give much thought to such things). There's just so many intangible variables effecting the psyche and energy of a team that result things like this, last week, and the WVU result inevitably happen. Emotion is so huge in this sport and if the talent level is somewhat on an even playing field then these factors way huge. We had the upper hand with this vs. WVU, L'ville has it now, and for obvious reasons Uconn had it today. I knew preseason this would be a strange L. The P thing is over and it's onward and upward. When they pull of a surprise win or two going forward some of the loud mouths will be back on here expressing confusion. It is what it is boys.

And what it is is that we're not as bad as today and L'Ville and we're not as good as we showed against WVU. We're somewhere in between and what KingOtto says may be true, that being that the ceiling is around 7 wins for this coach. Not sure yet. What I am sure is that he needs a new qb to get to anywhere near that promised land. If he doesn't see that then he's on the road to failure as some note here they think he is.

I am sure of one thing further though is given all the circumstances this guy deserves our faith and confidence to stay with him and I'm glad to know that he'll get at least 5 years to see if the 5-7 win ceiling is right or wrong because that's what it takes time wise. This isn't the easiest of places to attract the necessary talent. But it can happen (these challenges be overcome) as seen here in the past and elsewhere around the country. Granted nothing seen today is a cause for optimism but the judgement for me will be based on the rest of the year. I'm pretty spot on so far and think we take down USF this week.

http://www.syracusefan.com/threads/ok-boys-girls-its-that-time-of-year-again-preason-progs.332/

 

[Bayside44]

That game has no bearing on the truthfulness of my statement.

Defense controlled the game. Dictated everything. Not reactive in the least.

Granted we don't have those specimens out there that LSU and Bama had, but still.

 

[Millhouse]

if we can ever get an above average QB on the field most of these problems take care of themselves. I cannot believe that one isn't waiting in the wings real soon.

As for this game everybody is looking it through the lens of technically only analysis. There's a karmatic strangeness to this game of football that is frankly undefinable but has a real tangible effect on outcome. Unless you played this sport post HS it's hard to understand and quantify (and most of you coaching types are too caught up in your detailed X's/O's analysis to give much thought to such things). There's just so many intangible variables effecting the psyche and energy of a team that result things like this, last week, and the WVU result inevitably happen. Emotion is so huge in this sport and if the talent level is somewhat on an even playing field then these factors way huge. We had the upper hand with this vs. WVU, L'ville has it now, and for obvious reasons Uconn had it today. I knew preseason this would be a strange L. The P thing is over and it's onward and upward. When they pull of a surprise win or two going forward some of the loud mouths will be back on here expressing confusion. It is what it is boys.

And what it is is that we're not as bad as today and L'Ville and we're not as good as we showed against WVU. We're somewhere in between and what KingOtto says may be true, that being that the ceiling is around 7 wins for this coach. Not sure yet. What I am sure is that he needs a new qb to get to anywhere near that promised land. If he doesn't see that then he's on the road to failure as some note here they think he is.

I am sure of one thing further though is given all the circumstances this guy deserves our faith and confidence to stay with him and I'm glad to know that he'll get at least 5 years to see if the 5-7 win ceiling is right or wrong because that's what it takes time wise. This isn't the easiest of places to attract the necessary talent. But it can happen (these challenges be overcome) as seen here in the past and elsewhere around the country. Granted nothing seen today is a cause for optimism but the judgement for me will be based on the rest of the year. I'm pretty spot on so far and think we take down USF this week.

http://www.syracusefan.com/threads/ok-boys-girls-its-that-time-of-year-again-preason-progs.332/

i wonder if there is any 3rd year QB starter for a BCS conference team that directed offenses in the 90s his so and jr year.

i suspect that there aren't many. you don't get a 3rd year starting typically if you can't crack the top 90. that'll be time consuming to track down for sure though, i'm guessing

i lost my bet to cuseman (still haven't forgotten about it, need to get around to it) but i shouldn't have. and i really shouldn't next year.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Defense controlled the game. Dictated everything. Not reactive in the least.

Granted we don't have those specimens out there that LSU and Bama had, but still.

No. Defense was well executed, but it didn't control the game. It was reactive. Defense can't be anything but reactive. The offenses made/makes the decisions.